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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 5, 2010 5:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

My 19th birthday and my 25th show.

This is a crystal clear audience recording, ripe for downloading!!! This was my 19th birthday and I was glad to be in Rochester after a disappointing show the previous night. I believe that this was the only east coast outdoors show of the year, and the crowd was ready. Unfortunately, while the Greg Kihn Band was ok, ( Pretty much Straight Up Rock & Roll), the Good Rats sucked and when they started throwing rubber rats into the crowd things got ugly with Dead Heads throwing trash back at them.

With the cops on top of surrounding buildings spying on the crowd and someone falling off the stands into the prking lot and breaking their back, this show had a real Fear And Loathing atmosphere.

The Dead did not dissapoint this day despite a rather short 2nd set due to the sundown curfew, but some great playing. First set is solid with a very sweet 1/2 step->>Franklin's, with Phil leading the way, and FOTD, Big river and an early LS>St when the lyrics were not yet quite finished.

Second set, while somewhat short is stellar!! The Scarlet->>Fire is long (31 Min) and unique. The Scarlet is slower than usual and very well played. The transition jam is just beautiful, When Phil teases the Fire intro Jerry vetoes it and for about 3 1/2 minutes the band performs a nice jam that features Jerry's "wah wah" Fire sound. It's not quite Fire yet and it isn't really Scarlet either, but you know there's Fire on the way. This is very sweet, and is different from any other version I have heard. The Fire is funky and long, and the jam transitions nicely into drums. Jerry's final solo is just perfect.

Phil is very prevalent throughout the set. The space jam is great and the transition to one of the great Wharf Rats is flawless and powerful, as opposed to the slow mellow start that the song usually recieved.The end of the set , while very standard ( Miracle/Bertha/Good Love) Is well played with a lot of enthusiasm.

One reviewer complained about not being able to hear Phil. Maybe the download has been upgraded but I found the sound on this version to be excellent, and i can hear Phil and the drums just fine.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-09-01.aud.10363.sbeok.shnf


This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2010-07-06 00:01:02

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jul 7, 2010 1:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

This one is new to me, gonna give it a whirl now.

Does Bobby's dedication of the Scarlet to all the mice and lab rats have anything to do with the story about the rubber mice, I wonder? nice shoutout to the rooftop cops as well.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 6, 2010 9:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

Enjoying this right now! Thanks for the heads up! Solid versions of all songs so far without any major clams and a great quality recording.

Love how Jerry takes Rio Grande-o jam out at least 3 times!

Also noticing how the sequence of songs is just right! Great development of the vibe.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 6, 2010 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

The 1/2 Step -> Franklin's is the goods . This marks the beginning of a time period I love , fall '79

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 6, 2010 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

Listened to this one twice at work today. Good call PG.

Like others I'm partial to earlier versions but this one was really good. It will be on the iPod in the morning for when knee rehab on the elliptical sucks a little more than usual.

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Poster: silverandgold Date: Jul 6, 2010 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

9/1/79 was the first GD tape that I owned. I played it hundreds and hundreds of times. I know every lick of this show by heart. I always wondered why no one else had this show in their collection. I will always love this show for helping me get on the bus and have always judged a Scarlet/Fire by how it compares to this gem. Great to be listening to it again.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jul 5, 2010 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

I rarely listen to anything this late (seriously), but this is amazing -- both the performance and the recording. Many thanks for calling attention to it. :-)

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 5, 2010 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

i like this one, and first learned about it on noah weiner's blog:

http://www.deadlistening.com/2010/01/1979-september-1-rochester-ny.html

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jul 5, 2010 7:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

Try 10/14/94....also around 31 mins.Its a real good Scarlet>fire for late`90s.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 5, 2010 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

Oh , yes it is . On my cassette and ' old ' rig this somehow sounded better then w/ the sources here through the new rig .
This is from David S Nathanson's review from DB9

" .... Every opportunity for Jerry to jam is capitalized literally to its absolute fullest potential .... Garcia is the point . His playing was truly impeccable ..... The interaction taking place was beyond words . That Fire is the reason people tour . "

edit - http://www.archive.org/details/gd1994-10-14.sbd.miller.79167.sbeok.flac16

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-07-06 03:12:14

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jul 6, 2010 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

There`s one thing i wonder....and that`s if anyone else on here agree`s with that rendition being one of the"BEST"ever!My first thought would be,No...they never seem to let me down when it come`s to hating the `90s....I really don`t see how you couldn`t think nothing but the best of 10/14/94....it`s unforgettable!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 6, 2010 7:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

These sources are missing that something that my Maxell had , as I mentioned . For me , when I look at the arc of GD , the nineties mostly had flashes , not whole shows . When I hadn't seen the band in months , first thing , How did JG look ? Then I waited for his first vocals . I hoped for 2 for 2 . During '67 -> '74 ,I would expect that ( and many years after that , as well ) . They were a transportation business , I expected them to do their jobs , or die up there from trying .
This Fire my be , for me , the last foray to the edge . It has imperfections , but it has a ton of heart .

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This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-07-07 02:35:41

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Poster: agstwst33 Date: Jul 6, 2010 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

I don`t really care if most folks are con-`80s/`90s GD music.It`s the reasons in which they use as an excuse to not appreciate it,that gets me...eg.Jerry`s voice was shot.or MIDI-tech lessened the guitar`s overall sound or that drugs made Jer unable to perform the magic we came to hear.All those excuses are simply that,an Excuse!...Jerry`s voice had the soul and heart,in which w/o,certain tunes wouldn`t have touched our senses like they did.MIDI gave the music a feeling of flight,as if it soared off His strings and the drugs....are just drugs.Any heroin addict knows that after the initial"fun"from doing it is over,you don`t feel good from doing it,no"high"...you just feel normal.I`m sure Jerry felt normal,not saying that it isn`t bad for you,and more than likely took him from us...It`s not a reason to bannish the years in which He used,for there are many more then the`90s in that case.....my freak flag is officially flying...I like all years of GD music,the same.To have favorites would be selfish.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jul 7, 2010 1:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

This one is new to me, gonna give it a whirl right now.

Does Bobby's dedication of the Scarlet to all the mice and lab rats have anything to do with the rubber mice you mentioned, I wonder? Nice shoutout to the rooftop cops, as well.

Edit: Call me crazy, but I didn't find the Scarlet as hardcore as others claim. It's ok but nothing really mindblowing here for me. The Fire is much better, though. Funny how subjective this stuff is. The recording is absolutely fabulous, too, that part ain't no lie.

Please don't hate me! Now I know how die hard defenders of '95 feel. :P

Oh and thanks MC for the link to the blog below. Don't think I've ever read his takes on some of these shows. Good stuff.

This post was modified by Jim F on 2010-07-07 08:55:46

This post was modified by Jim F on 2010-07-07 08:59:42

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jul 5, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

well well well. Looks like I have some Monday night listening. I saw Rochester and thought indoor venue but I see it's a stadium. I'm on this Like Ben Rothlesburger on a coed

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 5, 2010 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

interesting choice p-gel...I've often considered this one the worst brent show of 79, I'll have to gived the scarlet >fire another listen...:D

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 5, 2010 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: This may be the best Scarlet > Fire (31 minutes long) you've never heard.

Thanks for the pointer. I'm playing this, and it's just in the 1st set, but I can hear Phil very nicely -- which is often a deal breaker for me, so I'm happy with that :-) I always appreciate it when reviewers take the time to say whether there's low end or not.

Nice B-day show so far! PG, we're almost exactly the same age, but you sure had me beat at 25 shows by that point (to my measly three.) Guess you must have actually heard of the band before college, LOL. But hey, I made up for it later that year when I actually changed my major to make a run of shows ...

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-07-06 00:54:59